Did Bill O'Reilly's career get a little boost because he was onto something big in the Kennedy Assassination while working as a local TV reporter in Dallas? He certainly would not be the first reporter who's career got a bounce from the Magic Bullet!
This article, is not just the same O'Reilly --JFK rumors. This time it is backed up by recently released CIA documents, that took a whole lot of prying.

I am starting a new thread on this article because I think it could be a huge breakthrough, especially if more is learned about the relationship between
J. Walton Moore and Charles Donald Ford. Hopefully this thread can remain focused on the implications of this article.
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Did you see my post on Michael Paine and ESP under "Coincidence or Conspiracy?" Thread?

Indeed there is more on Moore. Attached is a link to Greg Parker's new web site Reopen JFK Case - with my article on THE O'REILLY FACTOR & THE JFK ASSASSINATION -
J. Walton Moore and LHO.


http://reopenjfkcase.interodent.com/index....36&Itemid=9

Is there a photo of Moore available?

And many thanks to Robert Howard for providing docs and Greg for posting it.

BK

I can't get the link to open

Raymond : sorry. I think I fixed it try again.

http://reopenjfkcase.interodent.com/index....36&Itemid=9

Thank you Nataniel. It works fine now. Fascinating site.

Peter, I don't know. It sounds familiar though.

BK

Hi Nate,

Thanks for your insight. I too think this lead may be important and develop into something.

As soon as we get a photo of Moore, add some research and footnotes and review some more of the docs, I'll make sure Bill O'Reilly responds to it. Rather than rant against "conspiracy theories" like he did with Fetzer, I'd rather he join Morley, Posner, Summers, Blakey et al in the open letter to Archivist, Court and CIA requesting they abide by JFK Act and release all the records.

As for "took a lot of prying," we survey the NANA Riffs - 150+ on Moore alone, and then try to find them over at Mary Ferrell Archives (MFA) - Thanks to Rex Bradford - where Robert Howard seems to be able to find the needles in the haystack.

I too hope that there's some response on the implications of the article. Greg said that there were 350 + hits the first day, so people are reading it.

BK

I have posted these before. Lee Forman was the one who did the legwork here.

James

Actually, getting O'Reilly interested in the assassination debate would be a great thing, particularly in view of his prior piece on the MB.

He would stay on the matter until he got the attention of someone in Congress, and he would demand that all records be opened.

He single-handedly revealed the fraud that the Red Cross was perpetrating on the public post 911 when it was keeping most of the money that donors sent it for that specific purpose.

He brutalized the Red Cross until it completely changed its distribution method (and percentages) to bring them into considerably greater conformity with donors' expectations.

It would be a great opportunity for someone like Larry Hancock to appear and challenge Bugliosi or Posner to a debate.

The only other current television personality who I think would do a good job on this matter would be Keith Olberman, but no one, other than NBC close friends and family, watch his show.

Peter,

Oswald supposedly told the police this after his arrest, when he was confronted with the dual identifications for Oswald and Hidell. I think it was Gerald Hill who originally reported this.

Bill O'Reilly is a supreme right wing jerk.

Jack

Jack, what difference does his political ideology make if he was willing to support the position that a conspiracy killed JFK? If the "assassination research community" must be limited to the denizens of the farthest left wing, it is no wonder you will never get any place in advancing the investigation of JFK's death.

By the way, Vincent Bugliosi is an atheist and a left-winger! I'd rather associate with O'Reilley than Bugliosi.

All Americans should want to know who killed JFK, regardless of their political persuasion, shouldn't they?

Back in the 80s when he first moved from channel 8 to Inside Edition,
he and his lady sidekick spent a couple of hours in my office looking at
slides and interviewing me. As far as I know, none of it was ever used.
He seemed ok then...not like the pompous jerk he is now.

Jack

Jack, I am sure that increased fame can and often does lead to pomposity. But don't you agree it would be great if O'Reilly became a voice in the mass media proclaiming the likelihood of a conspiracy, regardless of his current level of pomposity?

And for what it is worth O'Reilly like JFK is an Irish Catholic.

I would prefer someone of greater credibility...but I will take anyone I can get.

Jack

Hear, hear!

The fact that he is a narcissistic jerk may make him a good one to advance the CT issue.

I don't watch O'Reilly, but his ratings have historically dwarfed those of CNN, MSNBC and the other Fox News Channel shows.

He already (unlike, say, his left-wing counterpart, Chris Matthews) thinks that the MB theory is garbage, and he would get the CT issue the visibility that it needs.

I don't care who gets the CT issue and debate in the public domain, and not just within the research community and occasional authors.

IMO today's Bill O'Reilly, media star at FoxNews, would not touch the JFK conspiracy with a 10-foot pole. For the same reason none of the other media stars will touch it. Too much to lose. They've got it made, at the height of their careers. They would risk losing it all for what? The truth? For one of them to exhibit that kind of courage or principle would be flabbergasting. And he or she would wind up in Dan Ratherville. A laughing stock.

Taking on the Red Cross or boycotting French wine is a lot different from taking on the killers of JFK. That's why O'Reilly and his ilk stick to "safe" controversies to entertain us.

I call it the Kilgallen Syndrome.

Matthews is equally obnoxious. But either O'Reilly or Matthews would
attract attention. Also obnoxious, but with far greater credibility if he
would "confess", is none other than Danny Rather. Imagine if he would
say I WAS PART OF THE COVERUP!

None of the above has real "credibility".

Someone I think people would respect would be Brian Williams of NBC,
whose stance on JFK seems untainted as far as I know. One with great
credibility (but who is a lone nut believer unfortunately) would be Bob
Schieffer, who was there on 11-22.

If you want a "debate" let's pit Fetzer, Marrs and Lifton vs Bugliosi, Posner
and Mailer. If Prouty were alive, I'd want him on my team also.

I hope you find this reply satisfactory.

Jack

Sorry for my tempermant, Jack.

I was no gentleman, and I edited my post.

I agree that Brian Williams would be a great spokesperson for advancing the issue.

He may have the most credibility of any media personality in the US today.

Rather fessing up to being part of the cover-up could certainly not hurt his negligible credibility at this point.

Best regards.

Chris

There is more to the story than merely getting Bill O'Reilly to join the fray.

I think O'Reilly's original hunch that there was more of an association between Moore and Oswald than DeMornshildts.

In reviewing other records from Moore's CIA file there is a reference to the fact that Moore played handball with Col. Orlov, the Air Force Colonel who was with DeMornschildt when they sought Oswald out and visited his apartment for the first time.

That BOTH DeMorn and Orlov would be assoicated with the CIA's Moore makes that first contact extremely suspicious.

BK

We must understand that the actor Bill O'Reilly plays the character Bill O'Reilly on his Fox series. It's a role -- one that doesn't necessarily reflect the player's own most deeply held political viewpoints and appreciations of history.

So ... Who are we trying to enlist in the cause? The actor or the character?

Seriously.

We hope that O'Reilly will join us and even get media establishment types to call for the release of the Joannides CIA files, that is if they are interested. Even the normally recalcitrant Posner and Blakey are calling for their release.

And I'd add the Kupcinet Syndrome: We won't kill you, we'll just kill the thing you love the most -- your daughter.

Kathy

I've seen Mailer on C-Span recently. He's about ready to give up the ghost.

Kathy

O'Reilly's employer, Rubert Murdoch, recently purchased Dow Jones and the Wall Street Journal from the Bancroft family.

Yes, it is the same family that included the late Mary Bancroft, Allen Dulles' paramour and OSS agent in Swiss during WWII.

The proud independence of the Wall Street Journal made inclusion in Mockingbird activities doubtfull, but now, who knows?

BK

Indeed, Charles. I was going to make the same point until I saw you beat me to it. Fox News is the WWF of Cable News -- lots of flashing lights, bells and whistles, huffing and puffing -- and acting. But I don't think it matters too much if it's BO'R the character or BO'R the actor. It's the message that will determine the worth of the support, whichever face utters it.

Speaking of WWF, wasn't Jesse Ventura championing the conspiracy cause at one point?

James

Speaking of WWF, wasn't Jesse Ventura championing the conspiracy cause at one point?

James
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Yes he certainly was. He briefly had his own tv show on cable. One Sat in Oct 03 his guest was Barr McClellan and the whole show was devoted to the assassination. He said that he was warned to shup up about such matters but that he was not afraid. I don't recall that the show lasted after that. Nor have I ever seen him on tv again.

Dawn

Maybe the warning worked. Big surprise. I assume he has a family.

The actor O'Reilly plays roles in farces that are produced, written, directed, edited, and distributed by his studio -- 20th Century Fox. He is scripted. He couldn't ad lib flatulence at a garlic festival. And he certainly has not demonstrated either the courage or the talent or the economic resources to produce his own programming -- in the broader sense of "production," of course.

Therefore, the situation is simple to understand: If the actor O'Reilly's studio bosses so decree, the character O'Reilly will strut the stage on our behalf.

If they do not, the actor O'Reilly will not.

Sadly, perhaps,

Charles

In Feb of 1992 O'Reilly reported that HSCA documents revealed that the CIA had sent agents to infiltrate the Garrison investigation.

I think that O'Reilly's ego and bombastic style would be an interesting antedote for VB's.

O'Reilly would interrupt and talk over VB the entire interview.

I don't think that he would be a LN lapdog like Chris Matthews and Sean Hannity.

Christopher, I am sceptical as to whether the networks would allow an anchor-type (or someone with a daily show, who can appear the next day to correct mistakes made by the opposition) to present a conspiracy view on Television. It is possible, that O'Reilly may have moved up ON CONDITION that he dropped the hot potato. Maybe an unstated quid pro quo.

My reason for speculating the above is by reading Barbi Zelizer's book Covering The Body. Its about the TV networks and the assassination and how assassination coverage in Dallas became part and parcel of the ligitimation of TV news as an institution.

Another reason is my close observation of media coverage of the 40th anniversary in 2003. I noticed an interesting contrast. On the Lehrer Newshour they had six historians. Five and half agreed with LN, the exception being half of Bechloss who emitted an interesting caveat about the Warren Commission that would allow him to escape in a hurry, because (In my opinion) he knew how shaky it had become.

Later, throughout the weekend, I saw many journalists who had been in Dallas. A vast majority of them believe in a conspiracy (this was C-Span coverage) These were reporters who were more grunt-reporter types, although they did include 60 minutes producer Don Hewit.

It led to a hypothesis of mine that if you wanted to advance in TV radio journalism, CT was definitely a slower lane. This hypothesis was only stregnthened by reading Zelzer's book. She is a professor of Communications.

I also think there is something of the medium is the message about it. If you have a daily show that represents a HUGE advantage. You can string points together, you can reemphasize points you made on previous shows etc. Now suppose you are a CT er appearing maybe once every three years. You have to build your argument from scratch, and the amount of time you have makes it almost impossible.

Personally I would welcome O'Reilly's help no matter how much I can't stand him. I just don't think his position will allow him to help even if he wanted to. It's a structural thing.

Peter,



Actually, I think this was in answer to a question posed to him by Guy Rose. Rose asked him what his address was.

Please see my article, How Did the Police First Learn of 1026 N. Beckley? here:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=2331

Steve Thomas

As I recall, either the History Channel or A & E did a 5 evening special entitled "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" in November, 2003, but I was unaware of what PBS was airing in connection with the 40th anniversary. In fact, I think that I have it on DVD.

In reality, even if O'Reilly wanted to truly push the issue and give it a lot of continued air time, the decision as to whether to proceed in that manner would invariably be made above his pay grade, presumably by Roger Ailes or Rupert Murdoch after they had received a visit from someone high up in the Administration.

Maybe envisioning O'Reilly taking on VB is just wishful thinking, but I would like to see someone cross swords with VB instead of, in effect, asking him why we should buy his book.

I haven't yet tried to get a statement from Bill O'Reilly, but I will.

I'm still compiling info, and it's getting pretty interesting.

While he is without a doubt a right-wing conservative, he maintains, at his own web site (where you can get Bill O'Reilly T-shirts and coffee mugs), that he is strictly independent, neither Democrat or Republican. Very hard to believe.

First reports from Dallas were O'Reilly was once given a civic award for "investigative journalism," but Gary Mack calls attention to a few articles about O'Reilly's tenure at WFAA - the Dallas ABC affiliate.

Scroll down half way till you see O'Reilly's mug.

http://www.unclebarky.com/abovethefold.html

Further clairified, or muddled:


http://unclebarky.com/abovethefold_files/b...84eeb6-460.html

For O'Reilly on Inside Edition on the trail of "Maurice Bishop" and CIA files:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AQdphWO2SQ


And for those who want even deeper insight, the article on The O'Reilly Factor & the JFK Assassination was picked up by Kenn Thomas over at Steamshovelpress.com, though I don't think O'Reilly will get a copy unless Kenn sends it to him.

More to come on this one.

BK

And how about Reilly's Fox News colleague Geraldo Rivera?

We all know that it was Rivera who first "aired" the Zapruder film on national tv.

Of course that was before it was determined that the CIA had altered several films to remove the frames that showed Greer shooting JFK. Oh, we were all so innocent back then!

Hey, O'Reilly has three or four books out of his witting sayings bashing liberals, but it appears that he really isn't an idiot, and that is only an act.

According to his credits, O'Reilly attended the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard.

That's where he must have learned how to hawk T-shirts and coffee mugs with his face on it over the internet.

BK

Is that what really what they teach at Harvard?

Good Day Nathaniel.... In the past 10 years I have contacted BILL O'REILLY several times without response from him with respect to something I had learned....

....While O'REILLY was working in Dallas (at "WFAA," iirc) a man who said he had been in DP watching the motorcade gave O'REILLY a bullet slug that he said his son had dug out from DP. O'REILLY thought it was a pistol bullet but admitted it might be a rifle bullet. O'REILLY gave the bullet to HSCA investigator GAETON FONZI who recalled receiving it and giving it to the HSCA's investigator FENTON. The bullet has, apparently, disappeared.

Given O'REILLY's sharp, non-"pc", focused ability for quickly cutting through his guests-BS and guests-non-issue-related-BS, in the long/patient view, given that his show is the nightly #1 viewers-wise leader (by a very wide margin) on the #1 viewed cable news network, it would be a beneficial consideration to try and secure him on our side, especially given he has done several previous CT related JFK assassination focused investigative reports.

Best Regards in Research,

Don

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"Drehm seemed to think the shots came from in FRONT OF or BESIDE the president."
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----CHARLES F. BREHM, a combat gunfire experienced, United States Army Ranger, World War II, D-day veteran, & very close Dealey Plaza attack witness, quoted only minutes after the attack, and while he was still standing within Dealey Plaza (11-22-63 "Dallas Times Herald," appeared only in the fifth & final daily edition, which mis-spelled his name)

Well this is quite amazing new information (to me anyway).

Don, do you know the name of the person? When the bullet was turned over to O'Reilly?

Finally, has this information been verified by either O'Reilly or Fonzi?

I've been going over some of the posts that Tim had posted last, to see if they are going anywhere.

While Tim did go on a few sprees, posting on every thread, some of his questions are pertinent.

BK