What's the black strip extending over Jackie's left arm?
Certainly not JBC's shoulder.
Certainly not something through the side window.
Certainly not Nellie.
Appears as if someone needed JBC in a certain position, as they emerged from behind the Stemmon's sign.
This stabilized version might lend a hand.
http://98.155.2.54:8400/0D884/JBC_Shoulder.mov
chris
Full Version: JBC's Shoulder
Chris, there was/is a framework separating the front seat from the rest of the passenger compartment in SS-100-X...similar to what is called a "targa band" on some more modern cars. The band appears to have a glass component to it, allowing the band to obstruct the view of the driver and other vehicle occupants as little as possible.
Try this image for a better view:
Photo of SS-100-X
I think this will answer your question.
Try this image for a better view:
Photo of SS-100-X
I think this will answer your question.
Mark,
I don't see anything that should interfere with Jackie's pink sleeve.
From Z's position, her sleeve should be a continuous pink line which intersects (at the least) the top seat hand rails. That black band sleeve is above the rails and moving, as is JBC's shoulder is toward Z.
chris
I don't see anything that should interfere with Jackie's pink sleeve.
From Z's position, her sleeve should be a continuous pink line which intersects (at the least) the top seat hand rails. That black band sleeve is above the rails and moving, as is JBC's shoulder is toward Z.
chris
Chris, I was referring to the vertical black line in the frame you posted. Were you referring to the wider horizontal line blocking the view of Jackie's left hand? If so, I believe that's JBC's shoulder, as at that point he is already turning his upper torso toward the right door.
Mark,
Not the vertical line, the horizontal, which at first glance appears to be part of JBC, but the animation I provided shows it is not.
As JBC turns his torso toward Z, that horizontal black strip is at a different height level.
chris
Not the vertical line, the horizontal, which at first glance appears to be part of JBC, but the animation I provided shows it is not.
As JBC turns his torso toward Z, that horizontal black strip is at a different height level.
chris
QUOTE (Mark Knight @ Oct 12 2009, 08:18 PM) 
Chris, I was referring to the vertical black line in the frame you posted. Were you referring to the wider horizontal line blocking the view of Jackie's left hand? If so, I believe that's JBC's shoulder, as at that point he is already turning his upper torso toward the right door.
QUOTE (Chris Davidson @ Oct 14 2009, 12:17 PM)
Mark,
Not the vertical line, the horizontal, which at first glance appears to be part of JBC, but the animation I provided shows it is not.
As JBC turns his torso toward Z, that horizontal black strip is at a different height level.
chris
Not the vertical line, the horizontal, which at first glance appears to be part of JBC, but the animation I provided shows it is not.
As JBC turns his torso toward Z, that horizontal black strip is at a different height level.
chris
QUOTE (Mark Knight @ Oct 12 2009, 08:18 PM)
Chris, I was referring to the vertical black line in the frame you posted. Were you referring to the wider horizontal line blocking the view of Jackie's left hand? If so, I believe that's JBC's shoulder, as at that point he is already turning his upper torso toward the right door.
Ok Chris now i see what you are refering too.
My first thought was, is it Jackies large black handbag on her lap falling to the floor as she turns to her right. ?
Robin,
Where are the light colored purse handles/straps?
chris
Where are the light colored purse handles/straps?
chris
QUOTE (Chris Davidson @ Oct 15 2009, 12:55 AM)
Robin,
Where are the light colored purse handles/straps?
chris
Where are the light colored purse handles/straps?
chris
Thats a good point.
In the photo below you can also see Nellies hand bag.
was she carrying it on her lap.
Could it have fallen down between the two jump seats, as she leaned forward to help her husband, who at this point appears to be in some distress.
I'm just speculating Chris.
what do you think the dark line is. ?
Click to view attachment
Robin,
I think it's a bad edit job.
Such as the coat flap in these successive frames.
chris
I think it's a bad edit job.
Such as the coat flap in these successive frames.
chris
QUOTE (Chris Davidson @ Oct 15 2009, 01:16 PM)
Robin,
I think it's a bad edit job.
Such as the coat flap in these successive frames.
chris
I think it's a bad edit job.
Such as the coat flap in these successive frames.
chris
Thanks Chris.
As you are probably aware chris i don't beleive the Z-frames have been altered !
otherwise why leave in the ( Back and to the left ) which leads so many to assume there must have been a shot from the front.
( Hence two shooters / Conspiracy )
Robin,
I know you believe the film has not been altered.
Perhaps too much time has been spent (within the Z film) on JFK and not JBC.
What do you think of the coat flap movement in successive frames, along with the ability to see Jackie's right arm pink sleeve through JBC's dark suit in
those same successive frames?
Refer to the movie.
View at full size.
I'd like to know what properties of photography allow this to occur?
I refer to it as a felt tip pen phenomenon.
chris
I know you believe the film has not been altered.
Perhaps too much time has been spent (within the Z film) on JFK and not JBC.
What do you think of the coat flap movement in successive frames, along with the ability to see Jackie's right arm pink sleeve through JBC's dark suit in
those same successive frames?
Refer to the movie.
View at full size.
I'd like to know what properties of photography allow this to occur?
I refer to it as a felt tip pen phenomenon.
chris
QUOTE (Chris Davidson @ Oct 17 2009, 04:40 AM)
Robin,
I know you believe the film has not been altered.
Perhaps too much time has been spent (within the Z film) on JFK and not JBC.
What do you think of the coat flap movement in successive frames, along with the ability to see Jackie's right arm pink sleeve through JBC's dark suit in
those same successive frames?
Refer to the movie.
View at full size.
I'd like to know what properties of photography allow this to occur?
I refer to it as a felt tip pen phenomenon.
chris
I know you believe the film has not been altered.
Perhaps too much time has been spent (within the Z film) on JFK and not JBC.
What do you think of the coat flap movement in successive frames, along with the ability to see Jackie's right arm pink sleeve through JBC's dark suit in
those same successive frames?
Refer to the movie.
View at full size.
I'd like to know what properties of photography allow this to occur?
I refer to it as a felt tip pen phenomenon.
chris
Chris
I grabbed the "two frames" that you are using in your Quicktime mov
Click to view attachment
Click to view attachment
Credit: Anthony Marsh.
Connally's Z-frame movements and lapel flap movements are a cartoon.
These frames do NOT show the limo stopping.
These frames do NOT show Connally's turn to his left, WHICH HE ADAMANTLY INSISTED HE MADE.
Do not waste time with such distractions. Consider the failure to show
the limo stop. Consider the failure to show the turn to the left.
Lapel flips are meaningless. Explain why the lapel "flipped" when not
struck by a bullet.
Jack
These frames do NOT show the limo stopping.
These frames do NOT show Connally's turn to his left, WHICH HE ADAMANTLY INSISTED HE MADE.
Do not waste time with such distractions. Consider the failure to show
the limo stop. Consider the failure to show the turn to the left.
Lapel flips are meaningless. Explain why the lapel "flipped" when not
struck by a bullet.
Jack
QUOTE (Jack White @ Oct 19 2009, 01:47 AM)
Connally's Z-frame movements and lapel flap movements are a cartoon.
These frames do NOT show the limo stopping.
These frames do NOT show Connally's turn to his left, WHICH HE ADAMANTLY INSISTED HE MADE.
Do not waste time with such distractions. Consider the failure to show
the limo stop. Consider the failure to show the turn to the left.
Lapel flips are meaningless. Explain why the lapel "flipped" when not
struck by a bullet.
Jack
These frames do NOT show the limo stopping.
These frames do NOT show Connally's turn to his left, WHICH HE ADAMANTLY INSISTED HE MADE.
Do not waste time with such distractions. Consider the failure to show
the limo stop. Consider the failure to show the turn to the left.
Lapel flips are meaningless. Explain why the lapel "flipped" when not
struck by a bullet.
Jack
Hi Jack
On Duncan's forum Martin Hinrichs and myself are doing some real research ( No Cartoons)
I think we may have found Wilma Bond in Skaggs 4
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index...ic,1225.90.html
Jack,
Exactly the point being made.
I don't consider it a distraction.
It's a basis by which to impeach JBC's description of events and the authenticity of the Z film, at the same time.
Lapel's don't flip by themselves and dark suits are not transparent.
chris
Exactly the point being made.
I don't consider it a distraction.
It's a basis by which to impeach JBC's description of events and the authenticity of the Z film, at the same time.
Lapel's don't flip by themselves and dark suits are not transparent.
chris
QUOTE (Jack White @ Oct 18 2009, 05:17 PM)
Connally's Z-frame movements and lapel flap movements are a cartoon.
These frames do NOT show the limo stopping.
These frames do NOT show Connally's turn to his left, WHICH HE ADAMANTLY INSISTED HE MADE.
Do not waste time with such distractions. Consider the failure to show
the limo stop. Consider the failure to show the turn to the left.
Lapel flips are meaningless. Explain why the lapel "flipped" when not
struck by a bullet.
Jack
These frames do NOT show the limo stopping.
These frames do NOT show Connally's turn to his left, WHICH HE ADAMANTLY INSISTED HE MADE.
Do not waste time with such distractions. Consider the failure to show
the limo stop. Consider the failure to show the turn to the left.
Lapel flips are meaningless. Explain why the lapel "flipped" when not
struck by a bullet.
Jack
Robin,
In Skaggs 4, can you show us the camera in front of Bell's face?
chris
P.S. Never Mind
On Duncan's forum Martin Hinrichs and myself are doing some real research ( No Cartoons)
I think we may have found Wilma Bond in Skaggs 4
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index...ic,1225.90.html
[/quote]
In Skaggs 4, can you show us the camera in front of Bell's face?
chris
P.S. Never Mind
On Duncan's forum Martin Hinrichs and myself are doing some real research ( No Cartoons)
I think we may have found Wilma Bond in Skaggs 4
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index...ic,1225.90.html
[/quote]
Chris.
I don't beleive he has his camera up to his face in Skaggs 4
BUT HERE HE HAS ( Confirmed by Gary Mack ) in an email he sent me about 6-months ago
Click to view attachment
And this is what he was filming
Click to view attachment
I don't beleive he has his camera up to his face in Skaggs 4
BUT HERE HE HAS ( Confirmed by Gary Mack ) in an email he sent me about 6-months ago
Click to view attachment
And this is what he was filming
Click to view attachment
For Robin.
Chris
Chris
QUOTE (Chris Davidson @ Oct 19 2009, 05:54 AM)
For Robin.
Chris
Chris
Good work Chris.
I completely missed that.
Thanks for keepinhg me honest, i will have another look.
From Life magazine.
Nellie and John give their unwavering accounts.
chris
Nellie and John give their unwavering accounts.
chris
QUOTE (Chris Davidson @ Oct 26 2009, 05:45 AM)
From Life magazine.
Nellie and John give their unwavering accounts.
chris
Nellie and John give their unwavering accounts.
chris
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