One film taken in Dealey Plaza [I believe from the Press Car?] shows a bicycle parked on the sidewalk, just beyond the Fort Worth Expressway sign.
Does anyone have any additional information regarding this bicycle? The time stamp seems to be within a minute to a minute and a half after the motorcade left the plaza. The bicycle appears in several frames.
a. This inset is an example of a 1960 Schwinn touring bicycle.
b. This is an enhanced frame from the film. The film can be viewed on Groden's 'The case for Conspiracy.'
c. This is one of the Warren Report exhibits, 875, in which I have attempted to locate the bicycle.
One interesting item about this bicycle is that it fails to appear in any other photo or film of the area. I have heard that a story concerning an incident which occurred with this bicycle was once published in a book concerning the assassination, but I have yet to find a reference.
Any additional information would be appreciated.
Full Version: Bicycle in Dealey Plaza
Bizarre to say the least.
James
James
Gary Mack informed me that the film in question was from Malcolm Couch, who travelled in the press car. This would place the bicycle in that location within minutes of the shooting.
Rather unconventional - but I'd like to offer a bottle of Johnny Walker Blue [1 liter] or the equivalent in dollars, pounds, euros, etc, to anyone that can produce a photo of the rider on that bicycle.
- lee
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Mr. COUCH - Well, I picked up my camera. As I recall, I had it in my hand, but it was down leaning against my legs. And I picked it up and made a quick glance at a setting and raised it to my eye. And - uh - you can see from my film that we were just turning the corner. We start the turn and we turn the corner, and you can see people running. As I recall, there's a quick glance at the front entrance of the Texas Depository Book Building. You can see people running and you can see about the first three cars, maybe four, in front of me as we complete the turn.
And then I took pictures of - uh -a few people on my left and a group, or a sweeping, of the crowd on my right standing on the corner.
Mr. BELIN - Did you take any pictures of the School Book Depository Building itself?
Mr. COUCH - Not of the south side at the moment.
After we went, say, 50 to 75 feet on down elm, uh - we began to hang on because the driver picked up speed. We got down under the - I think there's three trestles there, three crossings underneath the - uh - at the very bottom of Elm Street -
Mr. BELIN - Is that what they call the triple-underpass?
Mr. COUCH - Right.
And - uh - I think, as I recall, right after we made the turn on Elm, one or two of the fellows jumped out. But after we got all the way down underneath the three trestles we finally persuaded the driver - who wasn't to anxious to stop - to stop and - uh - we all jumped out.
And I ran, I guess it was about 75 yards or a little more back up to the School Depository Building and took some sweeping pictures of the crowd standing around. I didn't stay there long.
And then I took pictures of - uh -a few people on my left and a group, or a sweeping, of the crowd on my right standing on the corner.
Mr. BELIN - Did you take any pictures of the School Book Depository Building itself?
Mr. COUCH - Not of the south side at the moment.
After we went, say, 50 to 75 feet on down elm, uh - we began to hang on because the driver picked up speed. We got down under the - I think there's three trestles there, three crossings underneath the - uh - at the very bottom of Elm Street -
Mr. BELIN - Is that what they call the triple-underpass?
Mr. COUCH - Right.
And - uh - I think, as I recall, right after we made the turn on Elm, one or two of the fellows jumped out. But after we got all the way down underneath the three trestles we finally persuaded the driver - who wasn't to anxious to stop - to stop and - uh - we all jumped out.
And I ran, I guess it was about 75 yards or a little more back up to the School Depository Building and took some sweeping pictures of the crowd standing around. I didn't stay there long.
Rather unconventional - but I'd like to offer a bottle of Johnny Walker Blue [1 liter] or the equivalent in dollars, pounds, euros, etc, to anyone that can produce a photo of the rider on that bicycle.
- lee
MANAGED TO CAPTURE THIS LEE, DO I QUALIFY FOR THE SCOTCH 
QUOTE (Stephen Turner @ Sep 21 2005, 07:48 AM)
MANAGED TO CAPTURE THIS LEE, DO I QUALIFY FOR THE SCOTCH 
Sorry Stephen. That one doesn't even qualify for Clan MacGregor.
I searched again - can't find that bicycle anywhere else in any other photo or film. I had heard that a photo was taken of the bicycle in question with the rider. This was allegedly published in Dallas in the 1964 timeframe. I can't find the book or the photo.
- lee
QUOTE (Lee Forman @ Sep 21 2005, 03:54 PM)
QUOTE (Stephen Turner @ Sep 21 2005, 07:48 AM)
MANAGED TO CAPTURE THIS LEE, DO I QUALIFY FOR THE SCOTCH Sorry Stephen. That one doesn't even qualify for Clan MacGregor.
I searched again - can't find that bicycle anywhere else in any other photo or film. I had heard that a photo was taken of the bicycle in question with the rider. This was allegedly published in Dallas in the 1964 timeframe. I can't find the book or the photo.
- lee
Lee, one place I thought of looking was the other side of the triple underpass I remember seeing one with some schoolage children as the limo was racing up the street
QUOTE (John Dolva @ Sep 22 2005, 12:36 AM)
QUOTE (Lee Forman @ Sep 21 2005, 03:54 PM)
QUOTE (Stephen Turner @ Sep 21 2005, 07:48 AM)
MANAGED TO CAPTURE THIS LEE, DO I QUALIFY FOR THE SCOTCH Sorry Stephen. That one doesn't even qualify for Clan MacGregor.
I searched again - can't find that bicycle anywhere else in any other photo or film. I had heard that a photo was taken of the bicycle in question with the rider. This was allegedly published in Dallas in the 1964 timeframe. I can't find the book or the photo.
- lee
Lee, one place I thought of looking was the other side of the triple underpass I remember seeing one with some schoolage children as the limo was racing up the street
John.
You must have read my mind. !
Anyone on the other side of the Underpass seeing the Limo speed by with Hill on the back and guns drawn in the follow up car, surely would have been curious and have wandered down to Dealey Plaza to see what all the commotion was about.
Lee
just wondering if this could be a place to look at a little closer and as you are one of the photo-chracks you're sure be able to say if there is a chance that this is a colored person pushing a bike.
George
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just wondering if this could be a place to look at a little closer and as you are one of the photo-chracks you're sure be able to say if there is a chance that this is a colored person pushing a bike.
George
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Thanks all.
I will take another look. Just using speculation, a bicycle is normally parked in the direction from whence it was ridden?
- lee
I will take another look. Just using speculation, a bicycle is normally parked in the direction from whence it was ridden?
- lee
QUOTE (Lee Forman @ Sep 23 2005, 04:06 PM)
Thanks all.
I will take another look. Just using speculation, a bicycle is normally parked in the direction from whence it was ridden?
- lee
I will take another look. Just using speculation, a bicycle is normally parked in the direction from whence it was ridden?
- lee
Yes, either that or along a contour to stop it from rolling. Is that a second bike lying down next to sign?
QUOTE (John Dolva @ Sep 23 2005, 03:09 PM)
QUOTE (Lee Forman @ Sep 23 2005, 04:06 PM)
Thanks all.
I will take another look. Just using speculation, a bicycle is normally parked in the direction from whence it was ridden?
- lee
I will take another look. Just using speculation, a bicycle is normally parked in the direction from whence it was ridden?
- lee
Yes, either that or along a contour to stop it from rolling. Is that a second bike lying down next to sign?
John,
I wasn't able to figure out what that was. I purposely bought a new pc with a DVD drive so that I could rip down frames - thinking I'd be working in high quality land. What I have managed to determine is that I need 8mm stock, and a high quality scanner. Lot's of money, and the films in 8mm format are hard to come by. James Richards posted version is much higher quality than what I was able to achieve by ripping.
- lee
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